Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

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Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby bobismyuncle73 » Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:13 pm

I'm just wondering if there is one already, or if its even possible/practical to do something like this in PT3?

I noticed there are a number of filters under "actions" ----> "river", but thin value betting doesn't seem to be one.
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Re: Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby WhiteRider » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:07 am

How would you define this, exactly?
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Re: Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby bobismyuncle73 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:29 pm

I am doing one of the academy challenges on FTP which is how I came across it. It is defined by them as:

"There are times in poker where even though you only hold a moderately strong hand, you feel you hold the best hand and may get paid off by an even weaker hand. Placing a value bet when your hand is not very strong, but still is the best hand, is called a “thin” value bet."
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An example would be holding pocket queens against a player and your heads up on the river when an ace or a king falls. Until this moment, you thought your queens were best, but the Ace/King is obviously a scare card. A bet by you on the river would be defined under the criteria as a 'thin bet' because you have a good but not the best possible hand considering the river card. Sure you could check with the 'scare card', but then you give your villian a chance to bluff you out as well.
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It would be nice to be able to view win/loss rates making thin value bets if it was possible here.
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Re: Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby kraada » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:28 pm

The thing is you need to specify all of the conditions.

Would you say this is sufficient?

A "thin value bet" is a bet of one pair that is less than top pair on the river.

In that case do we want only cases where the board is not paired? What about betting top pair on a board that's 4 to a straight or 4 to a flush?
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Re: Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby bobismyuncle73 » Sun Apr 11, 2010 1:57 pm

To complete the challenge on FTP, these are the conditions that must be met. It should answer your questions about hands other the pairs

•All play must come in a real money NL Hold’em cash game.
•Table must have at least 5 players dealt into the hand.
•Must be the first player to bet on the river. Your bet cannot be an all-in bet.
•You must be called on the river and win the pot at showdown.
•Your hand must consist of one pair that is smaller than top pair.
•Your hole cards must be part of your high hand (cannot just play the board). Simply holding a kicker is not enough to qualify.
•If the board is paired, two pair will qualify so long as your hole cards do not pair with the highest unpaired board card.
•If you hold a pocket pair, it cannot be higher than the highest unpaired board card (cannot be an overpair).
•A higher hand such as three of a kind, a straight, a flush, a full house, four of a kind or a straight flush does not qualify.

A "thin value bet" is a bet of one pair that is less than top pair on the river.
--->I would clarify this by saying "less then top pair on the board 'by' the river"
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Re: Custom stat/report for "thin value" betting opportunities

Postby WhiteRider » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:25 pm

There are filters covering that sort of thing in the "Texture" tab.
I think you should be able to filter for all of those. If there's anything specific you can't find, let us know.
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