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how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Sun Jun 06, 2010 11:47 pm
by er4n
How "Expected Value-All-in Performance" - the graph is calculated?
Thanks, Eran
Re: how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:08 am
by kraada
For each hand that is not all-in, it is graphed as it happened.
For each hand that is all-in, at the time of the all-in the equity of the player is calculated at the time of the all-in and that equity is graphed rather than the actual result.
So if you had 2 hands, one where you won $10 without going to showdown, then one that was all in for $100 ($50 per player) where you had KK vs AA and won, the EV graph would go up $10 for the first hand and down $31 (you have $19 equity, 50 - 19 = 31) for the second hand. Your actual results graph would go up $10 and then up $100.
Re: how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Mon Jun 07, 2010 9:46 am
by er4n
Thanks
one more question
what if i bet the turn 49.5$ and my all-in is 50 and then in the river i shove the rest 0.5 it has no connection to the grafh of expected value? i think there should be some connection...what do you think?
Re: how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:22 am
by kraada
There are definitely limitations to this implementation - you are correct if you bet 49.5 on the turn then .5 on the river your EV graph will be the same as your Amount Won graph (as your EV was 100% or 0% on the river).
The ability to graph equity across streets should be possible once equity information is imported into the database directly but I do not know at what point that feature will be implemented.
Re: how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:36 pm
by aeglos
Hi, I would like to know how the rake is handled in the "expected value all in performance".
My guess is it doesn't consider rake, so over a very large sample your ev should be higher than your money actually won.
I tried of course to figure it out for myself but the graphs are not detailed enough to check, at least not without devoting alot of time to it, better to ask someone who knows.
If i get ai for 50 dollars each (the pot is 100 dollars) and I have 50% to win, and the rake is 5% with a cap at 3 is my "expected value all in performance" 50 dollars or ((100 - 3) + 0) / 2 = 48,5 dollar?
(My ev is about 22000 dollars over my money actually won and I have payed 28000 dollars in rake, so have I been lucky or unlycky?:-)
Re: how "Expected Value-All-in Perfomance" is calculated?

Posted:
Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:38 am
by WhiteRider
EV is based on the amount paid out, not including rake.